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AlienFromBeyond · Aug 12, 2007, 06:37 AM // 06:37

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Originally Posted by acidic

don't blame anet? THEY FRIGGING gave out obscenely valued minipets and ONLY TO ASIA. TALK ABOUT SUPER HIGH-END

They are only obscenely valued because people are willing to pay that. Lord knows why, none of them are that great compared to my mini-Gwen that I got the old fashioned way.

Hollow Gein · Aug 12, 2007, 06:42 AM // 06:42

IMO anybody paying hundreds if not thousands of ecto for a 'rare' mini-pet that does nothing but add some measure of vanity to your toon. Bah!!. It's even worse if they paid real money for gold in-game to buy ecto. For the price of one Kanaxai, I could fully oufit everyone one of my toons with FoW armor and still have a few hundred left over.

Oro Mana · Aug 12, 2007, 06:47 AM // 06:47

Anet and players selling ridiculously high-end items are both at fault. Anet only had net cafe promos in Japan or Taiwan. Us players constantly look for new things to farm and then drive the price up to 100K+150. Eventually, there will be less and less things to farm. Ectos will be out of the picture in a while,maybe ~3 months. Rubies, Sapphires, and Diamonds will be done with a while after GW:EN is released. Along with GW:EN, it is in Anet's best interest to introduce a new rare material worth ~10K to accommodate countless new high-end items coming out with GW:EN. In the long run, it won't matter what we use as supplemental currency because players will farm it until it's worth almost nothing.

MithranArkanere · Aug 12, 2007, 04:43 PM // 16:43

The problem is importing the though 'I can get it, you don't, farm for ours and pay me for it, because you NEED it' from other games.

Such things were never meant to be in GW. That's why the 100k trade limit is there.
There are games with drops less than 0.0001 for some items, but in GW, the most rare items have drops of about 0.1% of the times the creature is killed.

Since rare items are not as rare as in other games, they need something to be rare to hoard wealth in the form of items. They need to hoard stuff to use them as currency for higher end stuff,, and all thet more expensive stuff to use as currency for even more expensive stuff... it's like building Babel tower.
The higher you get, the higher you want to get.

I just can't think why would anyone need more than the 1000k the xunlai storage can have. Yet some people still need to hoard gold and keep it, without ever using most of it.

Plain senseless.

They should give some storage for customized items or the already suggested and well-supported armor system 3.0 so they spent all that gold in armors or something, instead of hoarding it.

reetkever · Aug 12, 2007, 05:02 PM // 17:02

Why not use Lockpicks? I heard some people already use Lockpicks.

Lockpicks weren't very popular at first, because you'd need less Ecto's for the same amount of Lockpicks, and alot of people already had stacks of Ecto's to use...

But when ecto's become worthless, Lockpicks might be a good solution. The price is fixed, so you don't have to fear a price change, some people already use this, and if you're sick of them, you can use them on chests.

Also, the price is calculate-friendly.

Hyper Cutter · Aug 12, 2007, 05:13 PM // 17:13

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Originally Posted by Oro Mana

it is in Anet's best interest to introduce a new rare material worth ~10K to accommodate countless new high-end items coming out with GW:EN.

Say it with me: Crafting materials. Are. Not. Super. Currency.

lacasner · Aug 12, 2007, 05:18 PM // 17:18

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Originally Posted by Hyper Cutter

Say it with me: Crafting materials. Are. Not. Super. Currency.

And yet where is your viable solution which can adapt to the current state of the economy? Ecto was doing pretty well..although I'm not sure if all of those ecto hoards people have will allow a "lock-pick" ish change.

Bryant Again · Aug 12, 2007, 05:24 PM // 17:24

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Originally Posted by reetkever

Why not use Lockpicks? I heard some people already use Lockpicks.

I'll say it again, since my question got unanswered: I thought people don't like lockpicks because of the fact that people who own outposts get a discount on them. Now, is this true, that this makes it unfair, or is it not a big deal???

zwei2stein · Aug 12, 2007, 05:43 PM // 17:43

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

I'll say it again, since my question got unanswered: I thought people don't like lockpicks because of the fact that people who own outposts get a discount on them. Now, is this true, that this makes it unfair, or is it not a big deal???

imho, not a big deal. It's is even good because people with outposts are best ones to supply huge quantities of keys required for trading. Simply because they will loose less gold on gold->lockpick transformation, making them ideal pioneers for trade.

Once everyone will have stack of lockpicks to use as currency, inital pirchase price wont matter that much because you will no longer be converting lockpicks from and to gold.

its just that to trade 100k with lockpicks instead of gold (80 locks), you currently loose 20k if you dont have those 80 locks already sitting in inventory. (or if you are on side that receives locks, you will loose 20k if you converth them back to gold)

that makes every 100k traded in locks sink aditional 40k. UNless people start keeping stacks of locks for trades, this will be main barrier.

Curse You · Aug 12, 2007, 06:09 PM // 18:09

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Originally Posted by lacasner

And yet where is your viable solution which can adapt to the current state of the economy? Ecto was doing pretty well..although I'm not sure if all of those ecto hoards people have will allow a "lock-pick" ish change.

My solution; only buy stuff that sells for less than 100k. You don't need any "solution" in order to buy that stuff.

Hobbs · Aug 12, 2007, 06:26 PM // 18:26

That would never work, for one the first sellers wouldn't do it, why should they or would they sell an item for less than 100k when it was previously worth 100 ecto? If you propose to scale the value of ALL items down by say 50% to cut down on huge sums of money being traded then those that already have 1000k+ecto in storage would have such huge amounts of money under the new system that they would use it to outbid people with less money than them and prices would rise again. Since item values are so established it would be practically impossible to change them and so trading with less then 100k on high end items is unlikely at best. Unless you mean just choose not to buy things over 100k which is the buyers choice and I won't comment on that. But i'll tell you i'd like to buy a nice Mursaat Hammer sometime soon and people saying I shouldn't use ectos I should use diamonds/rubies/lockpicks isn't gonna make me change unless the seller asks specifically for a gold replacement that isn't ecto.

Malice Black · Aug 12, 2007, 06:39 PM // 18:39

Why does the threads always attract the ignorant and dumb..?

The trade system can't change, the current system has been in place too long now. Yes, ecto might be replaced, but only by another rare material.

Using lockpicks won't work, they don't hold enough market value. Using credits is just dumb.

If you don't like the current system, don't use it, it really is that simple.

Last thing, calling people with money "elitest" is plain moronic. That statement is old and very worn out.

Curse You · Aug 12, 2007, 06:56 PM // 18:56

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Originally Posted by Togira Ikonaka

That would never work, for one the first sellers wouldn't do it, why should they or would they sell an item for less than 100k when it was previously worth 100 ecto? If you propose to scale the value of ALL items down by say 50% to cut down on huge sums of money being traded then those that already have 1000k+ecto in storage would have such huge amounts of money under the new system that they would use it to outbid people with less money than them and prices would rise again. Since item values are so established it would be practically impossible to change them and so trading with less then 100k on high end items is unlikely at best. Unless you mean just choose not to buy things over 100k which is the buyers choice and I won't comment on that. But i'll tell you i'd like to buy a nice Mursaat Hammer sometime soon and people saying I shouldn't use ectos I should use diamonds/rubies/lockpicks isn't gonna make me change unless the seller asks specifically for a gold replacement that isn't ecto.

Did you even read what I said?

Nowhere did I mention lowering prices. I simply said to only buy things that are currently sold for under 100k. Frankly, I've never wanted any of the stuff that sells for over 100k, I find most of the "uber" skins to be appalling.

Oh and yes, I do have enough money to buy things over 100k. I just choose to stick to what is actually useful/reasonably priced.

Martin Alvito · Aug 12, 2007, 07:11 PM // 19:11

Choice of currency is always path-dependent. The way it ends up working out in a game is actually quite similar to the way it ends up working for international transactions - people pick a currency for trades that is abundant and reasonably stable (since currency instability can be hard on profit margins; one can insure against swings in value when the transaction is legal, but not when the transaction violates laws).

Obviously, a lot of us strongly suspect that the bottom is going to come out on ecto values fairly soon due to the dynamics of underlying demand for their consumption (or the lack thereof). It may be that they actually hold their value despite the comparative lack of demand for them (remember SoJs in Diablo 2?), or it may not. Hard to say. The existence of the in-game traders definitely increases the likelihood of a crash (unlike RL markets, there isn't a way to turn the traders off to stop a panic).

I'd bet that the overall impact on the supply of ectos from the temporary state of perma-favor will be pretty limited, however. Most of the supply of ectos came from the botters that had accounts across multiple servers, and were down there all the time anyway.

As for the replacement ideas - the value of lockpicks aren't sufficient to cover high-end trades. Anything else that is to replace the ecto has to drop in sufficient quantities to be usable. Unless diamonds pop out all over the place in GW:EN and have sufficient in-game utility to keep their value up despite the supply, I don't see them taking over as the currency of choice.

natuxatu · Aug 12, 2007, 08:25 PM // 20:25

Yeah I've never bought anything over 100k and frankly imo nothing I have seen is worth more. *shrug* Most of it is just for show and status... and even that is getting discredited since chances are you paid for it instead of got it on your own.

But I heard lockpicks were being used more frequently.. I'm sure in GW2 they will address the situation though.

The Herbalizer · Aug 13, 2007, 01:01 AM // 01:01

Lots of ignorance towards wealth and rich people. Too much to quote so cant be bothered.

If you want to secure your wealth buy multiple dirt cheap prophecies accounts and max it out with gold, that should be roughly 1.4 million per account.

Once done you could set aside 10 million or so in pure gold.

IMO a small price to pay to safeguard your wealth.

Edit: Not sure how stable superior vigors are and what they are worth. Might be a nice idea if stable to buy a load up. Black dye could be a good investment for gwen as 40 new armour sets means black dye price rise.

Entreri · Aug 15, 2007, 03:22 AM // 03:22

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

Using lockpicks won't work, they don't hold enough market value. Using credits is just dumb.

They don't hold enough value if you want to purchase a single item for 2.3 million gold or more. What percentage of the playerbase is that and what percentage of trades is that? Lockpicks should work fine for most people.

In the rare case that you want something you can't cover with lockpicks, buy the higher currency item from your seller (ectos, rubies, diamonds) with lockpicks in an initial trade and then use the item he just sold you for the next trade.

Entreri · Aug 15, 2007, 03:33 AM // 03:33

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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

If you want to secure your wealth buy multiple dirt cheap prophecies accounts and max it out with gold, that should be roughly 1.4 million per account.

Once done you could set aside 10 million or so in pure gold.

IMO a small price to pay to safeguard your wealth.

Nah, it's a big price. Just buy 5 stacks of lockpicks and you can hold more wealth than than another account can in gold. Plus you dont have the hassle of transferring between them.

Martin Alvito · Aug 15, 2007, 03:38 AM // 03:38

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Originally Posted by Entreri

Nah, it's a big price. Just buy 5 stacks of lockpicks and you can hold more wealth than than another account can in gold. Plus you dont have the hassle of transferring between them.

Except that you have the time cost hassle of selling all those lockpicks. Ever sell off a stack of ectos? It takes a while, unless you bought the stack for a song or you're willing to take a loss. The problem with lockpicks is similar, except that each individual item conveys considerably less value, which is likely to lead to longer sell times.

If you were in a pinch, you can recover more from your ectos @ the rare mat trader than you can from merching lockpicks. I've had to trader a stack of ectos a couple of times in order to take advantage of opportunities where players severely underpriced large quantities of certain commodities.

Entreri · Aug 15, 2007, 03:42 AM // 03:42

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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

Except that you have the time cost hassle of selling all those lockpicks. Ever sell off a stack of ectos? It takes a while, unless you bought the stack for a song or you're willing to take a loss. The problem with lockpicks is similar, except that each individual item conveys considerably less value, which is likely to lead to longer sell times.

If you were in a pinch, you can recover more from your ectos @ the rare mat trader than you can from merching lockpicks. I've had to trader a stack of ectos a couple of times in order to take advantage of opportunities where players severely underpriced large quantities of certain commodities.

Good point, the conversion back would be a lot harder if you need the gold fast. I guess both have advantages and disadvantages.